As a life-long motorcycle enthusiast, I didn’t know what to think when I was first asked whether I would like to test a large displacement scooter. Ultimately, I tested several, including the Honda Siver Wing, as well as both Suzuki Burgmans (the 650 and the 400). I even tested (along with Barry Winfield) the 3-wheeled Piaggio MP3 500ie. I enjoyed riding them all. So much so, I even considered purchasing a Burgman 400 for short trips . A combination of features impressed me, including (1) leg room (I love being able to shift my foot position, and even stretch out my legs on some of the models), (2) automatic transmission with both brakes operated by hand levers (the low center of gravity and the hand brakes, in particular, permitted extremely aggressive, short stops with great feel and no dive), (3) underseat storage (the Burgman, for instance, could swallow two full-face helmets or a healthy portion of groceries without the added width or hassle of saddlebags), and (4) complete wind protection for my lower body.
Riding a scooter rarely made me question my manhood. I do recall stopping at a Starbucks with my friend Willy who was aboard a Suzuki GSX-R750 at the time. We walked in to order some java and an attractive young woman at the counter saw our helmets and told us she rode a Kawasaki ZX6-R. She then asked “What are you guys riding?” As Willy described his Suzuki sportbike, I began to think about how I would describe the scooter I was aboard without being embarrassed. In the end, I just chuckled and said I was on a scooter.
What I would like is feedback from our readers who have owned, or ridden large displacement scooters after years of riding motorcycles. You can certainly post a comment if you haven’t ridden one, but I really want to know what people think that have ridden a scooter after years on a “real” motorcycle. EICMA is just around the corner, and there are plenty of big bore scooters about to be unveiled, including a new Yamaha T-Max, the Aprilia SRV 850 we told you about a few days ago, and at least two models from BMW. Honda is further bluring the line between motorcycles and scooters with its new Integra.
I loved the comfort of my Vespa GTS 250 with power and ease of use never dreamed of in the earlier vespas I rode years ago. After ten thousnan d miles it kept failing, blowing regulators and and leaving me stranded. I sold it and bought a Bonneville. 56,000 miles later in four years the Bonneville is perfect, with windshield and luggage and no problems. It has the power and comfort and hauling ability to be a real daily rider and its easy to use around town with a sit up riding position smooth clutch and slick gearbox.
The biggest disadvantage of the Vespa which was capable of 85 mph (65 with headwinds) was the lack of respect from other motorists who cut me off, tailgated and felt obliged to get ahead of the “moped” on the highway. The Bonneville gets respect. I borrow my wife’s ET4 150 vespa for fun but my Bonneville is my daily joy.
I’ve been riding two wheeled conveyances since 1958. I started out on Cushman motor scooters, first a ’58 Highlander, then a ’60 Super Eagle. I then moved to motorcycles beginning with a Triumph 500, a succession of 250s, 350s, 450s, 550s, 750s, Goldwing and my last one an 1100 Honda Shadow Spirit. I loved ’em all, some more than others. I’ve ridden all over this country, camping, visiting friends, visit relatives, riding solo just to ride, riding in groups, all because it was a PURE BLAST. I almost gave riding about 3-years ago. My age, along with it’s attendant health issues made riding bikes just to painful to keep going. My wife suggested I try a scooter. I laughed. The mention of scooter brought to mind the little 50cc buzzers. I couldn’t picture myself on one. She said no, I mean the big ones. I asked, what big ones? She said Honda and Suzuki had some really big ones. So, I ventured out and found the Silver Wing and the two Burgmans. That day I bought a used ’06 650 Burgman. After 3 years of owner ship and riding, all I can say is, “Why the hell didn’t I do it earlier”? I’ve had more fun, enjoyment, and a sheer blast than I’ve had in years. It’s more comfortable than any bike, except maybe the Wing (and the Wing only for a few things), I’ve ever owned. Yes, I would like to see some weight taken off, the chassis made stiffer, the wheel size up an inch on both ends, and some other things done to it. But, it’s simply a wonderful machine as it stands. I’ll ride it anywhere I’ve ever taken the Wing, and the comfort is actually greater. Mileage is way above all but my smaller bikes. I had a 450 Suzuki that got over 75mpg running between 65 and 75 on the highway, consistently. Yes, I’m a scooter man again, and proud of it!
I’ve owned a Goldwing and recently traded in my Silver Wing wtih 16k on it. I got two SYM HD 200 scooters. The Silver Wing was great to ride–and felt more comfortable than the Goldwing. But the SYM HD 200 has really impressed me–so much–I bought a second one. It goes 72 mph and gets @ 75 mpg. Will a couple of Aerostitch bags and the helmet under-seat storage–it’s very enjoyable to ride. I’m sold on the scooter as opposed to a motorcycle. The ease and mobility of the HD 200 makes riding so much easier to deal with. the maintenance is simple/cheap. I wasn’t sure the SYM had enough power–but when one won the 2008 Cannonball Scooter Classic–riding from San Francisco to Maryland in nine days (3300 miles)–I was sold.
I’m coming up on 17 or 18 bikes owned in 10 years of riding. My Burgman 650 Exec is # 16, with almost 20,000 miles on it now. I’ve owned and ridden everything from cruisers to liter+ sportbikes; and my Burgman makes me as happy or happier than any of them. It’s easily in the top 2 or 3 bikes I’ve owned.
I love, Love, LOVE being able to suit-up, ride to somewhere (like dinner, a movie theater, a dealership) and being able to take off all of my gear and comfortably store it in the trunk and the top box. It’s so liberating to not have to carry all my stuff with me – making the scoot something that adds real functionality and convenience to my life.
In heavy traffic there is nothing I would rather be on. The auto-trans makes me feel pity for riders suffering their stiff clutches. The upright riding position helps me see traffic patterns, and I’m better-able to take advantage of gaps in traffic. Also, I’m always in the right gear; and don’t have to futz with clunky gear-boxes like what’s in my Bandit 1250.
Most impressive to me is that it is almost impossible to blow a corner on the scooter. On my other bikes, if I come into a corner too hot or in the wrong gear, I have to coast around it because it would upset the chassis too much to downshift mid-corner. Not so with the Burgman. I can brake deep and hard (with confidence provided by ABS, and stability provided by the long wheelbase and being able to brace my body-weight against the upward-angled floorboards), and when I finally get my speed in check, the gearing is in the right place that I can still power-out smoothly and purposefully. This is something that really has to be experienced to appreciate.
After 4 years of ownership, I did add a conventional motorcycle to the stable – said Bandit 1250. This was mostly for the suspension comfort and riding position comfort (I can’t get my legs underneath me enough on the Burgman). If the Burgman 650 were about 20% more powerful, with more compliant suspension and the ability to ride it more like the standard UJM riding position (instead of an almost cruiser-like one), I think that would be motorcycle nirvana.
I have had bikes on the road for the last 35 years and recently purchased a Kymco Downtown 300i. With this I now no longer ride my current bike, 1984 Honda V65 Magna. I have put over 5,000 miles this season, way more than I had in one season with any other bike. I can say is the bike is so much more usefull and much easier on my aging body.
While the gut wrenching power is not there these in no way take away the fun of two wheels. Actually not having to fight the ellements adds to your enjoyment. Cagers seem to be more interested and respect these more too with gas prices being what they are.
Another advantage is I will ride down to 45F with the scooter. At 65F I have to think twice about taking the V65 out. Being caught in the rain is an inconvenience with the scooter rather than an excersize in torture with the MC……
I have a Aprlia Scarabeo 300 now, hopefully you can class that as ‘maxi’ enough. lol.
I’ve ridden bikes since 16, some 20 yrs, had F650, KLR650, GSX600, FJ1200, CB-1, an din 3yrs am on my 3rd scooter.
I don’t get to ride much socially now with the family growing so it’s used as primary transport, wind or rain, on the motorways sitting on 110kph.
I love the storage of under seat, also have a 40ltr box that i can attach to it also. If i had the money sure I’d like a bike but that would be as well as and more so if it was a GS BM again – one of the bigger ones. I love it, and i’d easily look at getting a Burger or Majesty or similar after this one. I like the style, the seating and the ‘power’.
Once you get over, the dicks in cars who want to race you and the comments you get especially when you have a go coz someone tries to share your lane, it’s fine.
Nothing wrong with riding a scooter. Only a problem if you’re riding one and you lie about it.
As with so many things, bigger is not better and as owner of everything `maxi` including a 250, 400 and SigFiddy Burgman all the `normal` rules do not apply to automo’cycling. I once was forced to take the 400 on a cross-country trip in place of the BMW R1100GS purchased for such journeys: Arrived half an hour earlier, in better comfort – and having spent considerably less on fuel – then the purpose-designed Beemer…
But the issue is that the increase in capacity rapidly takes the maxi-scoot out of the bounds of practicality and 500-650cc is the sweet spot. The GP800 (soon-to-be Aprilia 850 in a posh-frock-but-same-knickers) is simply not practical or economical enough to be a scooter, and not powerful or good-handling enough to be a mo’sickle.
Law of diminishing returns. I still think the TMax represents the best all-round solution, but if the 400’s were just 30 kilos lighter, with 10% more power, better aerodynamics and 100 mpg there would be the optimum solution. They don’t need to make the 650 into an 800, Suzuki only need to make it 50 kilos lighter and with better suspension out-the-box, improved aerodynamics for 80+mpg and it would be spot-on.
I’ve been riding motorcycles since 1972 and have ridden every category of bike in the last 39 years, with a preference for standards, dual sports and adventure touring machines. Due to a hand injury on a dirt bike and a 53 year old back that has been acting up, I decided to stop riding off road for a while and stick to street. I’m riding a Yamaha T-Max now and it is one of the most enjoyable bikes I have ever owned. It has motorcycle-quality suspension and handling, excellent brakes and better acceleration than I expected. I have no chicken strips on my rear tire and it has very sporty cornering. It is easy to turn in and holds its line with rock solid stability in the twisties. I have come to think of the T-Max has a hybrid sportbike/maxi-scooter. Excellent dynamic performance, none of the “hinged in the middle” feel one might expect from a scooter, and all the comforts that a maxi-scooter offers – an excellent automatic CVT transmission, lockable under-seat storage plus console storage, very comfortable riding position and seat, excellent aerodynamics and wind protection and 56 mpg. It is an impresssive machine that works for me. When I ride it, I get the same thrills and enjoyment that I would expect from riding a good motorcycle.
I started on scooters as a kid in Spain. When ever I ride one it brings me back. I am now 46 years old. I have owned many bikes. From liter bikes(YZF-R1’s) to dual purpose(BMW R1200GS and KLR650’s) bike. Over 20 bikes of all kinds. What I have learned is I love to ride. Fast or slow. I put 25,000 miles on my GS this season. And I would have been jkust as happy to do it on a Maxi Scooter. Touring is about the world, not the bike to me. My GS is going this week. A Maxi Scooter may replace it in the spring.
” EICMA is just around the corner, and there are plenty of big bore scooters about to be unveiled, including a new Yamaha T-Max, the Aprilia SRV 850 we told you about a few days ago, and at least two models from BMW. ”
BMW? You did? I did a site search that reported no results in the last 2 years even. Where can I read about these new bikes?
At 45yo, riding history of 29ys and 12yrs as a motorcycle insurance agent I can tell you I have mad respect for maxi-scooters. I have a group of geezers that are former ARMA and AMA racers that go by nick names like Turbo Bill and NY Ed. These 65yo and older geezers take semi-hotrodded (exhaust, slight motor work and suspension) Burgmans and tear up the squids that ride the loop and Blood Mtn in N GA. When you see a 70yo dude in full race leathers knee down a Burgman and pass 600 ss bikes how can you not respect that? If I were to pick a scooter I would go for the T-Max. But that new Honda Integra Scoot looks promising.
I have been riding a Piaggio BV 500 for 3 years now and the experience has been nothing short of awesome. With 500cc’s of power I can take my scooter anywhere a motorcycle can go and then some. In urban traffic, the easy stop and go is a dream. If I want my scooter to go faster, I simply twist and go. If I want it to slow down, I simply let off the throttle. Some speak of lower cc scooters lack of power, but in an urban situation, power is not as necessary as manuverabily. With the BV 500 I can ride with the big bikes and I am looking forward to the innovations coming down the pike with the BMW scooter as well as the Honda Integra. These scooters have found a market with me. If you doubt my scooter’s abilities, come riding with me during rush hour down the Chicago Tollways..the ride is still enjoyable no matter what they throw at you.
I’ve commuted on a 250 (Currently a Daelim S250) for 13 years now. I’ve always owned motorcycles but like a scooter better for commuting. The combination of weather protection, gas mileage and built in storage make it better than my Buell Ulysses for my 7 mile commute. If I could have only one, I’d go with the scooter.
I’m really loving the new Zune, and hope this, as well as the excellent reviews some other people have written
Owned a Vespa GTS250 for several years until all dealer support dried up and blew away. Rode my friends Burgman 400 for many miles. LOVED them both especially the Vespa. I will probably be getting another one now that tendonitis is taking it’s toll on my clutch hand.
I’d really like to see a larger displacement scoot with minimal bodywork. Maybe a “standard” Vespa style with a 500 cc engine. Or perhaps the Japs or Koreans could come up with something a bit less futuristic
Aprilia makes a 500 scooter that looks somewhat like a Vespa. Piaggio owns both Aprilia and Vespa.
I had the opportunity to spend a long “test ride”on a Burgman 650 owned by a member of a group I ride with every now and then. It is so big that when parked among the other bikes, you would not immediately recognize it as a scooter. In fact, people have come to investigate and praise the machine during stops until they got a good look at the profile and realized it was a scooter and turned their heads in shame in the same way a guy turns his gaze from a “hot chick” after his buddy informs him he is salivating over jailbait.
The big Burg won’t set the road on fire, but it is plenty powerful, handles well (once you finally get it into your head that that lever over there is NOT a clutch), is extrordinarily comfortable and has a lot of storage space. On top of that, the weight is low making the beast feel very light and manoeuverable regardless of speed.
Despite a scooter’s merits, it isn’t for me. The big scoot taught me exactly what I like about motorcycling: I like hugging a bike between my knees coaxing it around corners. I like the viceral feel of “communicating” with the machine via rpms, clutching and gear selection, and dammit if I want the thrill of powering the front wheel up just a bit squirting out of a corner, I want to be able to do it. The Burgman could do none of this. It was practical and even fun, but, for me anyway, it was not emotional. I want to stradle it, clutch it and shift it. However, since the scoot at least handles quite well, I would choose it over most cruisers out there.
I’ll take a real motorcycle for as long as I am physically able to ride it. Should I become too stiff and too fragile with age to cope with traditional motorcycle ergonomics, I would certainly own a big scooter. Until then, please don’t take my clutch away.
I have ridden for 40 years, owned many types of bikes (my last motorcycle being a ZX-11)and have over 400k miles on 2 wheels. My knees just can’t handle the fixed peg position for long periods any longer and I did not want the heaviness of a cruiser or tourer. I bought a Burgman 400 in 2009 as a lark really. I thought that something to drive around town would be great. Well that year I took it to Colorado and other interstate road trips (live in Dallas)and put 8k miles on it. I loved it except it needed a tad more power so in 2010 I bought a Burgman 650. Now the love afair started. I have rigged it with Givi bags (side and top) and all the motorcycle electronics. Been to Colorado twice on my summer trips and I can say that I have found the perfect ride. Comfort, good gas mileage, sufficient power, exceptional legroom, just the right weight… what more can I say? Every where I go, people come up and want to talk about my “scooter”. First they ask, “What is it?” and once I tell them about the 650 Burgman, they are impressed. They say it sounds like a motorcycle. I tell them it basically is with a scooter body. Now if they made a Burgman as an 800 and made it more sporty, I would be first in line to get it. Until then, I am a very happy “Scooter” owner.
I really like the idea of the big scooters but can’t justify a second bike from a insurance standpoint and as someone who still does the ocasional track day , not that I wou7ldnt love to do a trackday on a scooter …just not mine ! so I’m stuck with a zuma witch in MI requires only $15 every 3 years moped tag and no insurance
Last spring I did three test rides at a dealer open house. We went out in groups of 12 over a 17 mile route. First up was a BMW G650GS, then a BMW F800GS twin. Fast and very smooth for a parallel twin at 70-75. Also very light for an 800. It felt pretty tall though, as in top-heavy.
Third, and just out of curiosity, I rode a Yamaha TMax. I couldn’t see how I was gonna keep up with the pace of 11 sport bikes riding some sissy scooter with a centrifugal clutch. But it was amazing. It seemed faster than the BMW single. I had no trouble keeping up, it was very smooth at all speeds, it cornered great and it was comfortable. I couldn’t believe it.
At 489 pounds it was probably the heaviest of the three bikes, but the weight was so low it felt like the lightest. The $8,590 price tag would put it in the same ball park as the BMW single. It was pretty freeing not to have to think about a clutch or shifting.
My only complaint was the windshield caused some turbulence at helmet level, which I didn’t experience on either of the BMWs with their little fly screens. I’m 6′ 4″ tall so maybe it goes over the top of shorter riders.
I would seriously consider owning a big scooter as my next two-wheeler.
I have been riding motorcycles for 44yrs. Currently ride a BMW R1200ST.
But have ridden my sister-in-laws Yamaha Majesty 400 a lot, since she stores it at my house. I love it ! The center of gravity is so low, you don’t even feel like you have to
put your feet down at a stop. The wheels are a little smaller than a regular motorcycle, and make it real easy to navigate around town. The wind and rain protection is great, and the under seat storage is wonderful.
Sadly, she is going to sell it cause she doesn’t get to ride it much.
But good for me, cause I AM BUYING IT from her. 🙂
I got my motorcycle permit in 1986 when I bought a Yamaha Riva 50cc scooter to putter around the college campus on. I got my actual license when I got a 180cc Yamaha scooter the next year, and would drive from college to my home town 100 miles away; I remember being thrilled when that bad boy got to almost 70mph! When I graduated I stopped riding until I met the man I’d marry, and he said he wanted to learn to ride a motorcycle. We both learned at the same time; I had the advantage of two-wheeled driving experience, but he had the advantage of knowing how to work a clutch! Thank the gods for MSF classes. We both rode motorcycles for awhile (and did a 1000 mile round trip for our honeymoon), but I missed scooters, and was fascinated when the big scooters started getting popular over here in the states. I was able to get a beautiful blue Burgman 400 a couple of years ago, and it’s been like old times. I enjoy the shape, the seat, the wind protection, and not having to mess with a clutch. My car is a minivan so I haven’t struggled with feeling uncool so much as embraced it. But I got the last laugh when gas prices shot up and the scooter was getting 60mpg!
I’ve been mulling over the idea of purchasing a maxi-scooter every since I rode my friend’s Suzuki Burgman 650. At the time I was riding a Yamaha Royal Star. I came back from my scooter ride with a perma-grin pasted on my face from ear-to-ear. I’ve never gotten over it. Since then I’ve rode a Yamaha Tmax, Majesty, Honda Silver Wing and a Burgman 400. I have NO problem with the scooter image. These things just make too much sense! I currently ride a Triumph Scrambler 900. Before finally pulling the trigger on a maxi-scooter I may have to give a closer look to the Aprilia 850 Mana GT.
I’m a photographer who does a lot of traveling and am writing this from Perth Australia
having just left Japan. I ride scooters when ever I can rent them traveling and am looking
to get one for when I’m home in the states.
Watching 70+ year old men and women navigating the streets of Japan will open you eyes
to how convenient they are as well as rideable. Got a mini throw one in the back and take
it with you on road trips and you’ll have some fun low cost means of getting around at your
destination. I’m getting one to do a like thing at race tracks which is a great way to cover
ground at big tracks. The number of women on scooters in Europe and the rest of the world
is amazing and a testament to the U.S. women that they could too.
I think more education and stories on the topic would be a good thing for potential future
motorcycle riders. As I watch all the Escalades and Range Rovers with one lone mom off to
lunch I can’t help but think that we’d all be better off with them on scooters getting 60 mpg
vs. 8 in their super size “look at me” rides.
Do you value weather protection, adequate storage, driving ease, a low centre of gravity, excellent braking and good mileage, plus all the other benefits you get when you abandon the olden concept of riding a motorised 19th century bicycle? Preferably without an unprotected chain thrashing around in the roadgrit?
Then you are a customer for the better-designed machinery available for the 21st century: high-powered two-wheeled transport on today’s roadways. The term scooter is no longer applicable to these machines with more than thirty-odd horses pushing them down the highway. These things don’t just scoot: they really move!!
Forget the hundred-year old ideas of ripping through gears with your feet (!!), snarling exhausts, all the macho pretensions of superiority as a result of excess engine displacement: today you’re facing an era of nation-wide transport requiring fewer dinosaurs and more bright engineering. Electrics are coming: enjoy internal combustion while you can.
I’ve been riding two wheels since 1957 – I can see the way transport is heading. For anyone enjoying two wheels, press for larger displacement/higher kw. bikes incorporating intelligent engineering guaranteed to provide you safety, performance and personal security. If you don’t, you’ll just get more of the same – and that’s not good enough.
If the problem is in the word “scooter” don’t use it, just say what you ride. I ride a Burgman 400. Most folks who have asked don’t recognize the model and can’t make a disparaging comment, they hear “400” and make an assumption.
When I told my coworkers I was getting a scooter there was a bit of good-natured ribbing, then I rode it in and parked next to one of the managers Harley. They appreciated the differences and their visions of a 50cc scooter vanished. My coworkers view my Burgman as a “real” bike, so does my insurance agent.
I have a blast riding it and really don’t care if someone thinks it’s not a real bike. It gets me to and from with great gas mileage.
I purchased a 2006 yamaha majesty brand new in 2007. I love it, I’m about to turn over 10,000 miles on it. It has plenty of power, and I actually bought it just in case I needed to take the interstate to work. Well, low and behold I just bought a house that necessitates just that! I cruise at an indicated 80, which is 72 actual (10% speedo error)effortlessly in a 70mph zone. The engine sits right at 6k rpm at that speed. Gas mileage isn’t great, around 52mpg or so. Always a bit worse than the same size Burgman’s for some reason. Possibly the Majesty has a bit more power. I know a few years ago the Majesty top speed was higher than the Burgmans. But that’s really neither here nor there. My first scoot was a Yamaha Vino 125 which was amazing on mileage (try 85mpg city or highway) and would top out around 59mph with zero wind. I could park it anywhere as it would literally fit through the front door of your house and could be parked in the living room if you wanted to. I miss it’s mileage, but not it’s low top speed. I recommend a maxi scoot for everyone, I don’t care which one, but just lose the clutch! =)
The first bikes I road were a two-stoke Yamaha(350), a Kawasaki (500 triple), and a Honda CB400. I owned a Yamaha SR500 and a Suzuki GS1000. My current ride is a Honda Silver Wing with ABS. Most of the riding I do is short mileage on urban and suburban streets, with occasional highway trips. With the big scooter’s storage space, weather protection, and agility in traffic, the truth is that I ride it more frequently than any bike I’ve ever owned.
When I first got the Silver Wing, I went for a ride to a local coffee shop/restaurant frequented by motorcyclists, fearing I’d suffer some ridicule for my shiftless ways. Parked in front were big twins, a 1200 Triumph with a sidecar, a new BMW 650 single, etc. Quite a few riders came out of the shop to inspect the scooter. “Wow.” “Cool.” “Could you put a sidecar on that thing?” To my relief, not one disparaging word, and I’ve never felt self-conscious about being on the Silver Wing since.
I do occasionally miss shifting and big power, but I wouldn’t trade the Wing to get it. (Maybe time for a second bike…)
I have been riding motorcycles in the USA since 1999.
I have ridden/owned more than 70 different motorcycles and dozen of scooters. Including Modern BMW Sport touring/GS machines, Metric/Euro cruisers, Supermoto/dualsport, 600/750/liter-class standard/sport/supersports and 250cc Ninja/Sherpa.
For metro/urban area there is really no better mode of transportation than CVT scooters.
In 2008 when the gas prices went up, I purchased a brand new Chinese scooter for $1699 delivered in a crate to my driveway.
Liability insurance cost me $35 a year, 1 1/2 gallon to fill the tank, with regular fuel. The scooter cruises nicely between 45-50 mph, out accelerates 75% of the 4-wheel vehicles in traffic from a stop and gets well over 70 mpg regularly.
So far, I’ve put over 10,000 miles on the Chinese scooter, other than flat tires and blowing fuses, the Chinese scooter is every bit reliable as my 98 Honda Blackbird.
In 2009, I got to test ride a Burgman 650 at a local motorcycle club gathering. I was hooked when I rode it for the first time, carrying the owner as passenger.. the Burgman 650 accelerates from 40-85 mph with ease and handling was very easy at any speed, even at parking lot pace. I bought a used burgman 650 within a month and my wife has never been happier riding with me. Large seating area combined with a backrest in addition to the large underseat storage, she can carry everything she needs along the ride.
After 4000 mi. or so, I put a $55 car winter/snow tire on the rear wheel of the Burgman 650 instead of replacing the $100 plus scooter tire. With over 5000 miles on the car tire, I can say the ride is smoother, especially for two-up riding. Cornering performance took some getting used to, but just like any new tires, you have to learn how it behaves under demanding conditions. I’m expecting over 15k miles before replacing the car tire. I have the largest windscreen on the Burgman for winter riding, even on wet/icy roads, the Burgman handles superbly.
During the summer months, I regularly ride my Burgman 650 back and forth to work, the convenience of underseat storage gives me place to put my backpack, laptop and change of clothes for work. Once at work, I put my helmet, ridng gear under the seat, never have to carry my riding gear into the office.
On spirited rides, most people I ride with are very surprised at how well I push the monstrous Burgman 650 through corners and paces. It is a sporty machine in capable hands.
Welcome to the Darkside, TC. I put a car radial tire on the back of my 250 MP3. It’s normal rear tires only lasted 3k miles. I hope to get @ least 30K miles out of my mini-cooper tire. Like you say the ride is smoother and it still corners just fine, just feels a little different doing it, but you get used to it.
I just finished over a 7,000 mile trip on my ’06 Vespa 250 GTS. I cruised most of the time between 60 and 65 mph (gps) and got 60 mpg all loaded up for a 25 day trip. Went from coast to coast and back. Leaving from Olympia WA. My goal was Myrtle Beach SC, which I did in 11 days.
I have to say that the scooter ran perfectly for the whole trip.
Also seems to me that people are nice no matter where you go.
Current mileage on my scooter is 60,000.
Plan on seeing my scooter roll over a 100k.
Just sold my ole’ trusty Honda 250 elite. I had her hopped up a little so 70 miles and hour was easy, even with my 200 lbs. Tires were to small and brakes were inadequate. So now i’m looking @ the Mana 850. At 62, I’ved owned everything from a GSXR 750 to a Yamaha Zuma 50. I must say, at my age, I really dont miss the clutch or the shifting. Rode my buddy’s Burgman 650 and was quite impressed.
I’m turned off by the styling of most all the “super scoots” currently available and that’s why I am drawn to the Mana. It also has a manual shift mode which is pretty cool.
This year only scooters have sold well compared to motorcycles in the USA. A 17% increase from last year. Us scooter riders are increasing in numbers. Sure the dealers like that.
I rode scooters from 1985 to 2006. The last one was a ’04 Aprilia Scarabeo 500.
I did the 2005 Los Angeles Love Ride on it, two up, with 10,000 Harleys. I didn’t get one comment on it and it was a very distinctive machine. Mine was beige and silver.
Link to photo of it: http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/aprilia_scarabeo_500_2004.php
I got it so that I could go on the freeway but hated riding on the freeway.
And, it wasn’t nearly as fun to ride around town as the Honda 250 Elite that I owned previously.
In hindsight, I should have got a Vespa 250. Today I’d probably get a 250 Ninja or the new 250 Honda.
I bought a 400 Burgman a little over a year ago because I’d hurt my neck in such a way that I had extreme arm pain when I squeezed a clutch lever. Since I didn’t want to lose the riding season and it was unclear how long it would take to recover, if I did, I decided to try a scooter.
Turns out it is an extremely useful device for a lot of the reasons mentioned, storage, wind protection, auto transmission. My daily commute is 13 miles of stop and go and it is a much nicer ride not having to fool with a clutch and shifting. It has adequate power to out accelerate most traffic, still gets around 55mpg in town.
I personally wish there was a way to have the brakes on the bars with all bikes. I find it much easier to modulate the rear brake with my hand than it is with a foot.
I did add a Corbin seat to mine along with an aftermarket windscreen and improved the riding comfort quite a bit.
As with most bikes I think the area Suzuki really cheaped out in is the suspension. Its okay, no better. Of course if I were more in the weight range of most scooter riders it might seem better. Naturally, one could do upgrades if so inclined and in fairness the suspension is probably no less quality than most any motorcycle of its price range.
As for public perception, I find a lot of folks on motorcycles won’t wave at me when on the Burgman. Interestingly though, the public at large seems quite positive and interested in it, especially younger people. On the whole, if its a choice between acceptance from some guy on a bike or a smile from a pretty girl in a Corolla, I’m going with the girl.
Overall I’m quite happy with the 400 for my use. I rarely ride it any great distance, commuting and in town mostly, sometimes a country joy ride. I still would rather ride motorcycles and after the arm got better I csn.
I’ve been riding motorcycles since 1969 and I have six of them so I’m pretty entrenced in riding them. If I were replacing motorcycles I would look harder at the 650 Burgman as I beleive it is the better highway machine and I would like to see the 850 Aprilia come here.
Another long time rider (45 years in the saddle of dozens and dozens of motorcycles from 50cc Aermachi’s to full dress Harleys). Currently own a Honda ST 1300, a Yamaha FZ-1 (gen 1), a Honda Nighthawk 750 and a Yamaha Majesty 400 Scooter. I had originally bought a Majesty for my wife to ride. She didn’t ride it a lot so I felt like “excercising” it for her. It was so much fun and so easy to ride I went out and bought another for myself.
At over 60 I know longer feel the need to impress others with what I am riding, and don’t mind telling mpeople I ride a scooter. As a matter of fact I love telling people how much fun the scooter is to ride. The new Honda Integra (although technically not a scooter) looks very interesting to me. The best of both worlds, although I wish it had the step thru style frame like a true scooter. Getting tired of lifting my leg like a dog, or jumping one leg over the seat of the motorcycles.I know there will alwsys be several “real” motorcycles in the garage, but I also know there will be at least 1 scooter in there as well.
I’ve ridden a few other motorcycles before and currently have a Burgman 400. I’ve never missed the shifting aspect of having a “real” motorcycle. The total experience of feeling the air move over me and being “one” with the bike when leaning into a curve, has little to do with shifting.
I look at “real” motorcycles and see only short-comings and tired thinking as the only way the manufacturers find to “innovate” is to bring us bikes with more horsepower than many cars. Bikes that now need traction control to keep the rear wheel inline. How much power do I really need to ride a back country road at 50-60 mph? Or a freeway at 70-80 mph?
The other “innovation” in motorcycles seems to be making bikes so much like cars with their creature comforts that the only thing missing is another two wheels. Bigger is not always better, and the manufacturers are running out of ideas.
It is far more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow. My Burgman 400 has more than enough power to get me a “performance award” on any road in the state. It handles like a dream on a twisty road and will leave many “real” motorcycles in the dust as they try to keep up. It is comfortable and holds all my gear, whether for a commute to work or a trip on a weekend. And it gets me gas mileage into the mid-60s consistently.
I hope that when the new scooters are unveiled at EICMA, that the reviewers will look at what they offer and not compare them to a Hayabusa and be disappointed that they don’t match up well. Compare them to what a scooter rider finds important and see how they fit the bill. Till a new motorcycle/scooter can beat the Burgman 400 in all it does well, I’ll be keeping it and not buying anything new.
“It is far more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow.”
Possibly the wisest thing I’ve ever heard a fello moto-er say. I’ve been feeling that for years without a way to express it.
I’ve owned a GPz550, Ninja 250, Vstrom 1000, Burgman 400, Burgman 650, Bet&Win250, Vespa GT200, BV250, and People S200. Currently ride a Burgman400 and the Vstrom 1000. I’m thinking about selling the Vstrom. The scooter is just more convient, economical, and fun to ride. Thinking about getting a Kymco People GTi300. I like the large wheel scooters for a different perspective. I used to take my scooters on all type of road trips including off road ones. Twist and Go is the way to go. I do like the suspensions of the motorcycles better though. Motorcycles are great for open road rides. Scooters are more practical, insurance, gas and maintenance cost are half to a third the cost of motorcycles. I seem to have better goodwill with my scooters as people give me the benefit of the doubt for parking and driving. The storage is one of the main selling points as well as wind protection and accessories available in Europe such as a Lap Apron. I was car less for five years, now I have a company car. I enjoy the scooter and motorcycle the most. Use the car just for work. I’ve rode in CA, OR, TX, and NM. A true four season rider, tried a lot of different gear as comfort is priceless. Ride what you want, but don’t knock other people’s ride if you haven’t ridden different machines on an extended period basis. We will all die on two wheels the same way, we’re all brothers and sisters. I love scooters and am looking forward to the Intergra or newer hybrids. Ride Safe.
Aloha,
Al
I had a 2009 suzuki burgman 650 exe, I loved it comfortable, big, fast simply fantastic. Weekends I used to ride with guys on Harleys, sport bikes cruisers etc u name it …. no one never laughed at me or cracked jokes. Even if they did I could care less. Burgman may she rest in Peace 🙂 was totaled, now I have a Aprilia SportCity cube 250 and Aprilia Mana 850 GT. Love em both. Automatic tranny rules LOL…..
I did a tour in Japan a few years ago. The group was mostly on Ducatis and naked liter bikes. Our guide, and group leader, was on a Burgman with his 12 year old son on the back. We had all we could handle keeping up with him in the mountains, and he totally lost us in Tokyo traffic. Check your ego at the door, and try one of these out. There’s nothing wrong with comfort and convenience, especially when speed and handling are part of the package.
In July 2008 with gas prices at $4.00/gallon I bought my first Honda Silverwing 600. I had looked at all sorts of 2-wheeled transportation, and in the end decided that the Silverwing was the best all around bike for my needs. It was comfortable, provided great weather protection, had lots of storage, got more than 50 mpg, and the CVT was perfect for my commute which is a mix of secondary streets, stop and go freeway traffic, and open highway in the foothills. I am now on my 2nd Silverwing (the original got run over by a car) and I still believe that it the best bike for my needs. The original acceleration and handling isn’t bad, but I have made some performance modifications (air filter, exhaust, and lighter weight sliders) that have improved the 0 – 60 time to just a bit over 6 seconds. I put progressive springs on the front and it now handles very nicely (no nose dive) and I put on a power commander and had it dyno-tuned for altitude, so my gas mileage is still averages in the 50 to 55 mpg range with a high of 59 mpg. No, it isn’t a sport bike and it won’t wheelie, but this bike is a blast to ride. The only negative thing about it general lack of respect that so many people seem to have for anything labled “scooter”. Well, that is until I pull away from them coming off the line.
I have had over 80 cycles since I turned 17 back in 1964. Along the way a few scooters were enjoyed such as a Lambretta 125, a couple Honda Helix’s, Yamaha Morphous, and now a T-Max Yamaha. All the rest were regular cycles, a few sidecar rigs, big Harley’s and Touring BMW’s, Hondas, Yamaha Kawasakis, Suzukis, Ducati, MV and few rarer names. It has been a great experience. I now ride two scooters and a small Suzuki cycle and these three bikes give me all the joy of any of the bigger bikes I once owned. Last summer the T-Max and I went round trip from Philadelphia, AP to Las Vegas and back. It was a great ride, admittedly 1 up, no passenger. Very comfortable and smooth with plenty of speed when the road allowed it.
No shame at all with driving a neat vehicle that is at home in city traffic and on the highway. More and more old bikers are going to these large scooters and we are having way more fun than those who feel they need to give up riding if they can’t handle the weight or ergonomics of a traditional cycle. Try one of these scooters with large engines and you may find how good they are, Yes, count me in as too old to care what other riders think of my ride.
I inherited a Honda Elite from a relative a few years ago. It’s not something I would have purchased. I soon found that the real value of the scooter was that the whole family would use it. My wife and daughter are barely over 5′ tall and would not consider riding a normal motorcycle but they didn’t hesistate to take the Elite out. We could get by with one less car due to the scooter.
I test rode a Honda 250 and found that it wasn’t suitable to freeway riding (at least not in Arizona). Having the throttle pinned and getting passed by everything on the road is not fun.
I’ve got several naked sport bikes (600cc-750cc) but since a coworker started riding a Burgman 400, I’d been interested in maxi-scooters. A little over a year ago, I found a killer deal on a Tmax that I couldn’t pass it up. Owning the Tmax has been an eye opener to say the least. First of all, yes I do feel a bit like I’m wimping out when I set out for a ride on the Tmax. But after a few minutes of riding, I begin to forget all that. Even though it is the heaviest bike I own, it is the easiest to manage around town by far – very nimble low speed handling. OK, so you think it might be squirrely on the freeway, right? Amazingly, the Tmax is the most stable freeway rider I own, plus the upright riding position gives me a sense of safety I’ve never felt with my other bikes. In the twisties, it feels like I’m riding on rails and totally predictable. If it had more power, it could easily keep up with and perhaps even outpace one or two of my “real” motorcycles.
The only place where it falls short is in the acceleration department, but I really only notice that in the twisties. On the freeway or in town, it’s still got plenty of power for passing and getting out of the way of traffic.
The Tmax is just one amazing do-it-all bike, but one big negative is that it seems to have very little in the way of character. Yes it is an amazingly capable bike, but it doesn’t really light the fire, if you know what I mean. Someone once described the Tmax as the Honda Civic of two wheels. I’d say that it’s more like a tricked-out Honda Civic with top tier suspension upgrades. I suppose that some of the lack of character comes from the self-consciousness I feel from riding a scooter. But that’s really a problem with me and not the bike. Even so, there are days that, when it comes time to pick which bike to take out for a ride, The Tmax wins out.
You bring up a point concerning character. I’ve owned a couple of Civics and felt they both had plenty of character. Fun to drive and reliable as an anvil. In my mind there were any number of other cars I thought without character. So yes, it is in the mind of the beholder.I don’t own a scooter but do remember vividly my days as a youth and all the fun I had one smaller, less powerful bikes. Rode a 50cc two-stroke Vespa my bother in-law has and it all started to come back to me. No need to make excuses and no need to try to impress the ladies. If they can’t see I’m having fun then they probably aren’t my kind of people.
I have owned a Suzuki Burgman 650 for the past 5 years..have communted on it, traveled to Cananda (from Seattle) on it, rode twisties on it and gotten 45+ mpg on it..love the under seat storage, the ergos, the power. Everyone who I have ridden with have had their opinions of my bike turned after riding with me. The bike keeps up with the big dogs with ease and have gotten comments besides..all good. It is a keeper for me.
I am delighted to be at an age where I could care less what the @#$#% people think about my ride. I could totally see myself owning a scooter, and will, one day soon.
I have ridden some scooters – including a Vespa GTS300 (Granted – that doesn’t fall into the maxi-scooter category). My perspective is starting to change regarding scooters. The scooter market seems to be growning. Where I live, electric scooters appear to be everywhere and climbing in sales. They are low powered, but they are also low in maintenance, cost, and intimidation. However, it just may be that these riders will grow to embrace the 2-wheeled lifestyle and the more 2 wheeled motorized riders around, the better to help resurrect (what has been documented as) a slowly dying sport. Perhaps they will embrace it enough to convince others to join the fold. Maybe these riders will gain confidence and be tempted to buy a motorcycle. Yes – the sport could be saved. I think this could be a good thing.
I currently own a WR250R, a CBR250R, and a CBR150R. I love to shift gears. Clearly with these bikes, I’m shifting a lot. But that is what makes them so much fun and engaging to ride. If I owned a maxi-scooter right now – that is something I would dearly miss. Having said that, my dad used to ride many years ago and is showing some interest in riding again. My dad is getting up there in years, but I would give my left testicle to be able to ride alongside him. Without hesitation, I suggested that he purchase a maxi-scooter. When you consider how well equipped these are (e.g., Burgman 650)and their potential for touring – you will quickly realize what a bargain they represent as a light to medium touring mount compared to a Goldwing. They are much more affordable, lighter, handle much better, offer extremely comfortable up-right riding positions, lots of room for your legs, offer significant improvements in fuel economy, ease of maintenance, convenient storage, and….. no requirement to shift gears! Why more people aren’t touring on these wonderful machines is puzzling. They offer 100% of the fun and adventure at less than 50% of the cost. I agree with some of the other posters here. I think too many people think of scooters as low powered, slow, and economical, commuters. A name change is in order for the maxi-variety. This tranformation has taken place in the automotive market with the ubiquitous change from “station wagon” to “touring” and “sport touring” badges and subsequent increases in sales. I think Touring Cycles, or Light Sport Tourers, or Comfort Cruisers, might make the prospect of owning a “scooter” more appealing to some.
Mike
After several years of selling scooters and motorcycles, my maxi-scooter customers were overwhelmingly male, over 50, middle class, and their concerns were primarily with convenience, storage, wind protection and fuel economy. They were, without exception, clearly in the “to hell with what anybody thinks” stage of their lives. Several had developing medical conditions that prevented safe standard motorcycle transmission operation and/or limited their ability to throw their legs over a traditional motorcycle. As to their place/future in motorcycling? I see the Can-Am Spyders as a major threat/alternative to the maxi-scoot, as they have similar storage and wind protection abilities and “aren’t scooters”, and seem to have an increasing following among the “matured” cycling population. A CVT or other auto-trans cruiser, mid-size or better, made by a “recognizable” brand would also take a lot of wind from the maxi-scoot sails (and sales). Lastly, price is an issue for the maxi-scoot as well. The mid-$8’s and up can get you a nice selection of motorcycles, many of which have larger motors (a popular perception of value) than a maxi-scoot. In the NE, T-max sales had been less than amazing, and though it is a nice machine, a V-star 950 of similar cost IS an attractive option to those capable of riding it. There clearly IS a place for scooters of all sizes, but I see the scooter’s largest advantages, as a whole, in the 400cc and below area, where fuel economy and lower costs advantages are maximized and alternatives are fewer…
“A CVT or other auto-trans cruiser, mid-size or better, made by a “recognizable” brand would also take a lot of wind from the maxi-scoot sails (and sales)”
I’m happy to tell you that Honda already did. It’s called DN-01. I know, the MSRP was ridiculous, but I got one this year at half the price. Honda got a great idea, but screw it up with the price tag.
I lost my leg in a motorcycle accident a couple of years ago, and the low seat and auto hydrostatic transmition, are just a perfect fit for my conditions. Test drove the Spyder, but that thing is just a car. I love my DN-01.
I have no problem with shifting so I’ve never seen the need to keep any of the scooters I’ve ever owned. By far, the best “scooter” I’ve owned was a Vespa P200e. I’d still have it if it didn’t get stolen. Being able to shift gears on the Vespa was the primary reason why I would have kept it longer than the Elite, Riva, Spree, and various other scooters I’ve owned. They’re great fun to have for running around town at a moment’s notice but then, an Aprilia RS50 is even more so.
-todd
I am under the distinct impression that MD keeps talking about these things due to the draught of news in motorcycling. Perhaps a seperate site could be created for scooters where scooter fans could click through at the top.
Come on guys, there’s way more to talk about than scooters. Why not have an article on staff favorite rides? Riding techniques? Staff mods to bikes? The modification process–cost benifit analysis? Favoritte motorcycling holidays? More on adventure and DS bikes, coverage of the hooligan / stunt scene…anything!
No more maxi scoots!
Woah!
When my BMW had a tranny noise I rode my other halfs Piaggio 400 to the Indy MOTO GP. It was very comfy, great wind protection, good econo, and a lot of wierd looks. I think scooters are great, but I don’t think the US riders take to the practical stuff. Naked bikes don’t sell well. If it don’t make more than 130 at the rear wheel and look flashy it don’t sell.
A lot of the members of my club questioned my sanity when I traded in my 2009 Buell 1125R for a leftover (but brand new) 2009 Yamaha XP500YY TMAX. It was because I was using the Buell primarily as a daily commuter, and it really was a BAD motorcycle for that duty (lots of fun on the track and in the twisties… but sadly I didn’t get to use it that way very often).
The TMAX offers handling that feels at LEAST as good… in fact, the only thing I’m missing is the pure acceleration of the Buell. Still, the TMAX accelerates at LEAST as hard as my car (if not a little better) so it’s not that bad. In addition to considerably better gas mileage, and the fact that I don’t need a chiropractor after riding it all day the best news was the insurance reduction. FULL coverage (including collision) is one THIRD of what I was paying for the Buell with liability alone!
Only one warning for long time motorcyclist’s considering a switch to a scooter: Muscle memory is a BITCH! You might find yourself slamming your face into your windshield once or twice before you learn that left hand lever is NOT the clutch…
I am new to motorized two-wheel travel, having purchased a Kymco Xciting 250 three years ago. I bought it for commuting, planning to save money when gas was just over $4 a gallon. I learned several things—saving money never happened (I saved fuel, but not money) and I loved riding. My 30 mile daily commute was great on the scooter and short trips were fine too. A trip to Michigan of a few hundred miles on some rough secondary roads and some strong crosswinds along the south shore of Lake Erie, told me I wanted something more ‘substantial’. The suspension was so taxed riding at 50mph on Plank Road in Michigan that I thought my hands would come off the grips and the wind gusts were so strong at times, the scooter was clearly over matched. Otherwise, I loved the Kymco for its 70 mpg, ample storage, and ease of operation.
I did NOT like telling people I rode a scooter. Most seemed to conjure up images of tiny child scooters even though I told them it was a maxi-scooter. Even at my over-fifty age, I still had some issues with the ribbing—and wanted something more capable in the way of suspension and stability in more challenging road conditions. This spring I traded in the Kymco for a 2011 Concours 14 from Kawasaki and have not looked back. Love the new Connie and have the storage, comfort, and stability I wanted. It costs a lot more all the way around compared to a scooter, but it does just what I want–AND I like the fact that it’s called a motorcycle instead of a scooter. “What’s in a name?” Apparently a lot.
Just begining to wonder…. should we not start to call this page Scootertalk? Do not take me wrong I like balance and objectivity; it’s just that I prefer those ‘real’ ones.
My first and thusfar only experience of maxi-scooters was the first generation Honda Silverwing (scooter, not the 70’s motorcycle) about a decade ago. By far the best thing was the cargo capacity. Even a little is great on a motorcycle, lots is brilliant. Comfortable seat, good windshield, etc. I could imagine touring on one! The big minus was the automatic transmission and the sluggish acceleration it allowed, it took about 10 seconds 0-100 km/h (62mph)! Totally unacceptable and thus I would never buy or own one. Top speed was adequate at about 160km/h, however.
Like most of the commenters here I have been riding for many years, on and off road. I’ve enjoyed riding virtually every type and class of motorcycles. I’ve ridden a number of scooters large and small, but never owned one.
My perspective is there’s obviously a demand for scooters based on all the virtues stated around comfort, convenience, and efficiency. Perhaps we can say “the more the merrier”. From that, I mean scooters provide options for those less inclined to traditional motorcycles, which can translate to fewer four wheelers on the road using up more than necessary fuel, among other virtures.
Indeed the most prominent negative feedback is an admitted embarrassment of manhood. I really don’t think the ‘scooter’ name makes a difference. That’s not going to change what it looks like or how it rides. Myself, I’ve learned that getting over being embarrassed by the opinion of someone who does not know me is a simple lesson, and makes life generally more enjoyable. If that stranger is a guy, he probably has a smaller appendage than you. If it’s a lady, she’s probably a narrow minded individual, and not that interesting to be around in the long run.
One of my own scooter experiences was at Bike Week in Daytona. I was working the event, and a scooter was the only ‘scoot’ available at the time I needed to run some errands – and take a break from work. No hesitation, I jumped on the (new at the time) Burgman and breezed around the bike week traffic jam with a smile, and space to stow groceries and supplies. Just ride what you like, and hope there’s a ‘scoot’ available.
I have owned many “regular” bikes over the years. Presently own a Yamaha TMax. Handles like a sport bike without the pain ( over 60 now ). I have owned the Suzuki 650 and I like the looks of the new Honda that they are coming out with. Eventually, I will go back to the Burgman 650 because of its comfort factor with two up riding. My favorite trick is smoking other bikes when they under estimate my machine. I look at the “regular” bikes now and don’t see anything that I would rather ride than a “scooter” . Oh yes, the previous commenter is right. The “scooter” name is what causes all the angst. Maybe the name should be changed to autobike.
How are the vibrations through the bars on your TMax? Vibes are still my worst problem–right hand goes numb
I’ve ridden all types of bikes in my life, starting with a Honda 305 scrambler, CR250 motocrosser back in the seventies (too many more to name) and ending (to this point) with a VFR1200DCT. My big scooter was the Honda FSC600, and I loved it and my wife loved it. I had 35,000 plus miles when I sold it to a friend who needed some wheels. It was effortless to ride, comfortable on long trips, low maintenance and always performed. With the addition of a top box, I had more storage than most. I even took my 3 day honeymoon on it and had room for the extra things we bought. Top speed, loaded and pillion aboard was around 95, although the speedo showed 110 (those things lie). Acceleration was very good (ask a few mertic v-twin owners). Fuel mileage was about 55. It was comparable to a Burgman (another great scoot). I think it is an amazing machine.
The 650 Burgman is the perfect machine for those who quit riding due to physical limitations and want to resume because:
1. No leg lift required to get on or off.
2. Huge comfortable seats front and back with no pressure points
3. Lots of room to vary leg position.
4. No need to remember to shift gears or be smooth in the process.
5. No wind to fight.
6. Easy on and off the sidestand.
7. Plenty of power for freeway cruising, even two up.
8. No engine heat, noise or vibration to speak of.
9. Low maintenance.
10. Low effort brake levers and handling.
11. Sufficient ground clearance and handling acumen to ride in a sporting fashion.
12. Underseat area will carry a 48 pack with ice.
I think I have seen you stopped on the side of route 1 watering a dandelion.
The problem with scooters….is the word “scooter”. Even the most secure of us (men) dont wear hose, we wear tube sox. We dont wear a bonnet, we wear a hat. It’s all in the name!! If there were a more solid sounding name for them, maybe……………..hahaha! WE need a “new-name-for-scooters” contest………!!!!
Funny you say that since some cruiser riders refer to their bike as a scooter. Everybody who remarks about my MP3s call them a bike. Personally I don’t care what somebody calls my ride. I like it and that’s all that matters to me. But I don’t ride in groups either.
I’ve called my bikes scooters for years. But, it seems a bit like saying, “yeah, I play a little pool” to someone when you know damn well you’re then best in town and probably hustle $1,000 every weekend night. Plus, it’s sorta disarming to non-moto heads to say “I rode my scooter in to work today” when in fact you rode in your 1200cc fire breathing guided missle.
But the word “scooter” really evokes a goofy image to me. Like Pee Wee would never ride a motorcycle, he would ride a scooter. Well whatever!! As Bill said, “a rose by any other name, is still a rose”
I had a reflex. It was slow…11 secs to 50mph, had poor suspension that nearly caused me to crash over a small dip taken at a partial lean angle at speed that most motorcycles would have no problem with. They’re heavier than their identical sized-engine motorcycle counterparts with poorer fuel economy. The benefits were stated above in your article, but other than that, I don’t recommend them. I have a 2 stroke Yamaha Zuma with a 70cc kit that I use for going to the store and back on beer runs and for strapping my surfboard too…but that’s about it. I’m on my 22nd motorcycle right now btw, and have been predominantly a sportbike rider but with dirt experience as well.
Reflex = 250 = not a large scooter. Having ridden numerous scooters of all sizes including myriad number of 250’s…..11 seconds to 50 is an ill-tuned machine. Beyond that – top speed is ~75mph.
I have owned many bikes in my 40+ years of riding but if I had to clear out my garage and keep only one bike, it would be my Burgman 650. Power, stability, storage, 50+ mpg, ease of use, 10k tire life, and that wonderful automatic transmission. So to you purists, go ahead, keep throwing that leg over those ever taller saddles, hunch over that gas tank and row endlessly thru the gears from stoplight to stoplight. Then look over to the guy next to you on the Burgman. Thats me with the cup of coffee in my left hand.
I have owned 45 2-wheelers in my 51 years. Everything from a Z-50 to a 1700 Warrior.
My current ride is a bright yellow T-Max. It is light, handles great and I get more compliments on it from the general public than most bikes I’ve owned.
My T-Max gives me plenty of leg room for my bad knee and my my knuckles don’t get sore from using the clutch in town anymore.
Sadly, the only people who have a problem with my T-Max are other riders. They often feel the need to question my manhood on the T-Max even though I can wax most of their asses on a twisty road.
As riders, we make up about 2% of the population. Let’s stop whining about what every one else is riding and enjoy the ride together.
I am 62, have been a biker since I was 16, and last year I traded my 1200 Sportster for a Burgman 650! My wife thought I had lost it! My friends just shook their heads, and I had a blast!! I have travelled BC, Washington State, Idaho and Montana in speed and comfort and loved every minute of it. My 04 Bonneville (that I love) has taken a back seat this year and if some maker came out with a 1000 or 1200 version of a “Maxi Scooter” I would buy one tomorrow!……..but, I am still embarrassed to say I ride a scooter!
I have been riding maxi-scooters for 4 years now. Still have bikes but they don’t ridden much anymore. 1st maxi I got was a `04 Aprilia Scarabeo 500GT. I had ridden 1 on demo @ Laguna Seca road races a few years ago. At the time I didn’t like not being abvgle to down shift after slowing down to then accelerate faster. But since I finally got over the need to ride like ricky racer, it’s not an issue any more. The Beo GT is like a bike w/full fairing and detacheable bags and a trunk. It has 16″ wheels and we rode it 2up & loaded cruising @ 70-80 mph, getting 55 mpg on 87 gas. The seat isn’t as comfortable as my bikes but the wife rides it now w/a faux trike kit on it.
I ride 2 MP3s, 1 a 250 and recently I got a `09 400 MP3 for long distance rides for me. The MP3s are safer than a 2 wheeler and they have so much storage w/added top trunk, I do our grocery shopping getting up to $65 of groceries in it. My age(68) and less physical abilities is why I’ve switched to scooters. I get 65-70 mpg on the 250 and the 400s are good for 55-60 mpg.
Before you snub your nose at them, ride 1. You may see them differently then. If you want attention, ride a MP3 !
I have a Burgman 650, my second. I have ridden them on long distance rides as well as using them for commuting. It has a great windscreen. I still ride a shifter bike because I sometimes want to rip up through the gears, plus; because of the suspension, traditional bikes handle better with higher limits. Although that’s true at the high end, I have ridden with many people who commented that they were surprised that a scooter could keep up with their regular bikes. And you can unless you’re riding in the twisties and starting to push things. That said, even a bike with great panniers can’t compare with the ease of the underseat storage of the Burgman. It’s huge, secure, and watertight.
Spent half a day on friends Burgman 650 after 40 years of conventional bikes. Its on my very short list for next bike to buy during this winter for next spring riding.
The one I rode had noticeable wobble flex on bad concrete highway, in NY. Think it needed suspension attention. Kind of reminded me of my Miata with its jiggles.
Power is in the neighborhood of my SV 650 and Vstrom 650 and having the automatic tranny means its much faster up to speed unless your torture the real bikes. Just sit there an whack the throttle and watch it zip clockwise.
It was more comfortable, in its way, than my Vstrom, although in a different way really. To ride to california, a well sorted Burgman is a really good idea.
The Burgman 400 is an around town bike, not anywhere like the 650. Almost might as well buy a zuma as the 400.
I also want a zuma.
The 636 barrista, well I would take a burgman over that bike anyday and she would come around in the end. The 636 is a nice middling older sportbike, right? Kind of like a 1980s mustang by now if you are a serious sportbike person?
I like waving to scooter people.
Does a 250cc Honda Reflex or Honda Elite 250 qualify as “large”? Whatever…they’re GREAT! Traded in a 2007 Ninja 500 last Fall on the 2006 Reflex and couldn’t be happier! Found the Elite at a garage sale ($350!). Previous to the scooters I’d been riding motorcycles since 1997…500cc and smaller. The things I like about the scooters are what you state above that you like…riding position, weather protection, storage capacity, low center of gravity which makes it feel light (altho it’s not really light…400+ pounds), ease of getting on & off, and the fact that you don’t have to think about shifting…it’s always in the right gear! The short comings of the scooters? Well, nobody will think of you as a “Rebel” or “tough-guy”, and I do occasionally miss the ability to rip up thru the geara and downshift skillfully into the corners…but not near as much as I thought I would.